It’s that time of year and for some of us, that time of life, where living the creative life – and especially the writing life – may require some adjustment to our routines to include that most wonderful of words, exercise! Today’s guest, Jennifer Gale, is a certified Wellness Coach. She has a Masters in Science, is an international speaker and researcher, and will soon release her book, How to Get Fit and Stay That Way. I’m the first to admit that Jennifer has her job cut out bringing me back to the slim, svelte shape of my youth but with all credit to her, she’s going to try. There are things every fit and healthy person needs to do as part of their daily lives and today, Jennifer shares with all of us the tips, tricks and tools to help us along the way to that magical place that is alas, part of that fantasyland known to me as my misspent youth. But don’t worry, Jennifer has personal experience to support her ideas. At fifty, she participated in her first triathlon but she had to learn to ride and swim first. So, if you – like me – need a little reminding that the good life comes with a price, pour yourself a glass of wine and listen in as Jennifer promises to get us all back on the path to good health and fitness in 2017. Happy writing, everyone.
Writer on the Road is Sponsored by Fit N Fifty Plus. Please visit Jennifer here and don’t forget to mention I sent you:)
Melinda: It's welcome to another episode of Writer on the Road. I've got with me today someone who I think I need very, very much and I'm hoping that some of you may gain something out of this conversation as well. But if you don't you can live in eternal hope that your podcast extraordinaire will be in good hands and good health leading into 2017 and my year of living creatively. I'd like to welcome today Jennifer Gale, hello Jennifer.
Jennifer Gale: Hi Melinda it's lovely to be here and lovely to be interviewed for a change.
Melinda: Now Jennifer would you like to tell us what you do?
Jennifer Gale: Okay so I have a company called Fit n Fifty Plus which sometimes gets some people scrambled because and was taken on the blue [00:00:45] (unclear) so it's an "n" and I provide health and fitness coaching for women over fifty really looking at the whole woman though not just I want you to run up the street and I want you to do twenty squats. I like to look at whole woman because as you get older things actually change quite a bit and there aren't too many people out there training that actually understand that. So I also have a whole lot of other things and my mantra is to provide information and inspiration for women over fifty to look better, move better and feel amazing.
Melinda: Now I'm all in for feeling amazing because I'm feeling a bit haggard at the moment, I've just come off school, I'm tired, I'm grumpy. But the good news is it's my birthday and so--
Jennifer Gale: Oh happy birthday!
Melinda: Yeah, so I'm 55 and I'm about to start my year of living creatively.
Jennifer Gale: Perfect age.
Melinda: Jennifer is going to get me fit and fantastic and get me on, there's a bike ride here in, I don't know it's next year 2017 and it's called the Cycle of Giving and you can ride 100 kilometers and you pay for the privilege of doing it. So I'm going to line Jennifer up, I'm going to keep you updated on my health and fitness, Jennifer, Penn on the Creative Penn podcast she walked 100 kilometers, I'm going to cheat and ride my bike.
Jennifer Gale: What fun.
Melinda: Yeah so Jennifer you've got a big job ahead of you and I wish you all the best. But let's go back to the beginning. Jennifer your qualifications are pretty impressive. Would you like to tell us about them?
Jennifer Gale: Well like most women I feel like an imposter most of the time but yes I have a masters of science but more importantly I have a background in cardiology and intensive care so I actually established three phase cardiac rehab program in New South Wales. So my background is really caring for people that are not well. So I know a lot about physiology and the physiology of exercise and what exercises do what to you and so I've worked with the hardest cases Melinda and managed to get them fit.
So I've had some in my past, I've worked with thousands of people particularly women but like real claims to fame where getting some of my heart transplant people to do marathons and things like that. So I believe that everybody can do whatever they want to do if [00:03:15] (unclear) to take it slowly and you know what you're doing.
So my background really is in health and in really the science of being healthy and well. So you'll notice on many of the things that I give you or any of the things on my website or anything like that I always try and research the very depths of it because there's a lot of misinformation out there particularly about how to exercise, how to care for yourself, what to eat and a lot of it's not based on science. And of course because I've got a science background I'm a bit thingy about that.
So that's my background and if you read a little bit more, I've always been a healthy person but I was a very busy person, I was an executive and ran hospitals and all kinds of crazy things like that. But my husband got really sick when I was fifty and he nearly died and I'd always wanted to do triathlon and I thought to myself what on earth are you waiting for. So I had to teach myself how to swim and how to ride, I already knew how to run and so off I went. During that process I learned an enormous amount about what wasn't available for women over fifty.
So all the little bits of information about how to buy a bra, how to buy shoes, what kind of socks should you wear, what should you eat, how fast should you run because it's so different when you're fifty than when you're twenty because when you're twenty your body will actually respond and recover so much faster and it will forgive you a lot more than it does when you're fifty. So yeah, so that's a little bit about me. I'm really passionate about helping women understand how easy it is to be well and getting, supporting them to do that.
Melinda: Jennifer's being a little bit shy here, she missed her masters degree in science, she missed that she's an international speaker, research, certified wellness coach and an author of a book that we're hoping we may be able to give a couple of copies away once it's released sometime between now, before Christmas and after Christmas.
But it has the most amazing cover, the podcast has the most amazing cover. It makes me feel good because it's pink and bright green and I'm thinking I like the colors their mantra is participating fully in our lives and I think as writers I'm just wondering how difficult it is to get the balance sometimes with so much going on, families, writing, the business of writing for us indie publishers and sometimes having to do work at an outside job as well. Life gets a little bit topsy turvy at times Jennifer.
Jennifer Gale: It does, it does and there is one key thing to all of that and that's actually planning. The most, if you do nothing else in your life you need to sit down for about fifteen minutes on a Sunday probably and think what on earth am I doing in my week and where am I going to fit me in because you have to actually take care of you because you're the powerhouse for all of those things and if you don't all of those things will fall over. If, that is the one thing that all successful healthy women do, they plan their weeks which means they plan when they go to exercise and they plan what they're going to eat and they plan their ten minutes just on their own, just emptying their brain or doing a bit of meditation or whatever. It's the absolute key when you're busy. And having written a book I understand how hard it is to keep healthy when you're writing because you get in a vane and you can't stop and really you've got to know enough about yourself to understand where you're going to fit that 30 minutes in for you every day.
Melinda: Okay look it's been great having you on the podcast Jennifer, everybody you heard it here on Writer on the Road. I don't want to hear anymore because I'm all sad now I'm thinking I can't find 30 minutes a day it's all too hard. Set me an easier goal!
Jennifer Gale: We start off with that. I've started off people just doing five minutes.
Melinda: Yeah and it is amazing everybody that we do get wrapped, oh so very wrapped up in our businesses and our writing and I know full time writers I have some amazing women on the podcast Jennifer and they will write up to 5,000 more words a day and trouble is most of them are full time writers and independently wealthy from their writing and they can go for long walks on the beach in between times.
Jennifer Gale: Oh that sounds good.
Melinda: Annie Seaton I'm talking about you now. It's crazy and it's a whirl, I guess it's for the rest of us who have families, who have full time jobs, who are writing, who are business people. Now what inspired me a little bit with you is you ran a triathlon at the age of fifty but you couldn't ride a bike or swim, how amazing is that?
Jennifer Gale: Well I tell you it was a big journey, particularly the riding part. My husband used to be a really good cyclist and so one of the things in his treatment was really effecting his ability, he took really high dose cortisone which sends you a little bit psychotic for a bit and I thought if I had something that he could help me that would really help take his mind off it. So I had to buy a bike, I bought a $250 bike, RS bike and down we went to the village road and learned how to ride and I tell you the first time I crashed into the fence. It was hilarious, it was hilarious but it's amazing, it's just amazing what you can do when you start.
You just have to start. Then I think nothing of going for a 50 k ride, like it's nothing, it's really nothing. But just getting the around the village, the worst thing for me was turning around. I used to stop the bike and turn the bike. The first time I turned around properly was at my actual triathlon and I was so proud of myself because I didn't stop the bike to turn the bike around.
Melinda: Well turning a bike around. I am a toddler, I love tooling around dirt tracks out in the bush where there's nobody and I avoid hills if I can, although I did live on the west coast of Tasmania and I rode from Rosebery to Zeehan to have a go [00:09:47] (unclear).
Jennifer Gale: That's a good ride.
Melinda: It was an amazing ride and it was really good right. But I was as you said a hell of lot younger then. In village though, isn't a circle?
Jennifer Gale: Yes it is, so Salam [00:09:58] (unclear) was quite easy when I was learning but my awful son and my awful husband said okay now you've got to turn around and go the other way. So it was quite hilarious. I can do it now, I can turn around no problems, I wouldn't say I was an incredibly confident rider and I think that's just because I started a bit older. But the more and the more you ride the more confident you are. So at the moment I haven't been riding a lot, I've been running if any of you follow me know that I'm on a mission to do a half marathon next year. So I've been running a lot. So I haven't really ridden that much in the last year but I have a beautiful bike now, so I have a special women's triathlon bike. Yeah, so that was good.
The thing about swimming that was really nice was I discovered a new way of learning to swim and the name will come to me shortly. But it's about being more fish like in the water. So this is an adult way of swimming and they do it all over the world, I'll look it up in my email in a minute and they teach you to lie in the water rather than teach you stroke so you learn how to feel your body in the water before you do any swimming and it was just the best thing.
I ended up doing an open water swimming course and swimming in storms out to sea, I'm not at all scared at all of the water anymore and that was, learning to swim was really beautiful. It's the most beautiful thing you can do, you glide through the water, it's quite, you can't take your phone, no one can talk to you, you're on your own with the water supporting your body, it's just beautiful.
The first time I did, when I did my first triathlon I only had to swim, I think it was 200 meters, it was a baby one and I was out of the water second or third last and I was so mad at myself because I couldn't swim the whole way like I turned over and backstroked and everyone was faster but I learned an enormous amount doing that.
The funny thing was you spend so long trying to remember all these rules in triathlon like how to find your bike when you come out and there's 700 bikes there and I'd made great pains to know where my bike was. Of course when I came out there's only two left so it was quite easy to find my bike. But yeah it was an interesting as an adult to learn those things. It was good, it was great for me, met some amazing people. There's nothing quite like mixing with really super fit people to make you super fit. One thing they never do is smoke.
Melinda: Or have a glass of wine after work.
Jennifer Gale: Yeah you don't, I didn't drink when I was training, so when I'm training for a triathlon I don't drink during training season. It just, it effects your training too much. I might once a week have a glass of wine but I was a CEO then, so CEOs generally drink a lot, I can tell you it's part of the position description. So that was an interesting thing for me to, yeah having a job like that and then not to drink it was really good, really fun.
Melinda: Yeah and I think it's part of the job description for writers. I think the writers work all day but you get to that stage at the end of the day and you think I've worked really hard and I'll have a glass of wine. I stayed home, I waved the last two days of school because I threw my shoulder out that went down to my elbow and up to the back of my neck and I had to stay home. Basically I worked all day on my business and I got to about half past five, six o'clock and I think oh I've worked really hard I'll go outside and have a glass of wine and I thought it doesn't matter, even when I've through a fit look and I'm injured I just think oh end of the day I'll have a glass of wine and it's just habitual. It started when my eldest daughter was born.
Jennifer Gale: Funny that. We used to call it the suicide hour where my friend next door used to ring me and say please come before I throw the wine cask at her.
Melinda: Oh yeah mine started in, oh that's Jennifer, my started, I never drank until I was 25 and my first husband I we went on a yacht and we lived on a yacht for many years and happy hour was a tradition among yachties. I notice on your gravitas that you have a picture of a yacht.
Jennifer Gale: Ah yes, well actually you know that is, that's a tall ship and I love being out on the water and we went for our thirtieth wedding anniversary went to New Zealand, to the Bay of Islands and we went out on the tall ship, the Tucker Thompson I think it's called and they let me go out right out on the bow like Titanic style, so that's what that picture is. My husband took that picture which is why it's not that great. But I loved it, it was so much fun just being out on the bow.
Melinda: Yeah and I think it comes back to being able to do those things and as we get older, Jennifer has written a book and we're going to talk about that everybody in a minute so just be patient with me, I am getting there. But as we get older in order to do all the things that we want to do we, and Jennifer's talking about bike riding and triathlons, I'm not going to go to that extreme but I do want to be able to get back on my bike, I do want to be able to play my 18 holes of golf because now that I'm living creatively I have to play golf, it's called networking. I went to a business in heels function.
Jennifer Gale: Oh yes I heard about that.
Melinda: Absolute disaster I though I'm going back to the golf course.
Jennifer Gale: Take one for the team.
Melinda: Yeah much safer. But you've got here nine things every fit and healthy woman needs to do. Okay nine things, we can do nine things everybody can't we?
Jennifer Gale: Yeah we call all do nine things because they're simple. The key is to actually inchoate it into your daily living. So the key is not to do it on top of, it's, the key is to do as a part of and most of those things are things that you can do as part of your day, really. I mean being mindful about what you eat, that's not hard. Just think about it, think about what you're eating, instead of eating really, really fast make sure that you stop, enjoy it, think about it because as soon as you start to think about it you actually slow up, you don't eat as much, it's been proven you don't eat as much and you eat better because you actually taste it. There's this thing called the crunch factor that your brain turns on when you crunch. So most of the crunchy things in life like nuts and celery and things like that, the crunch actually tells your brain that you've eaten and helps you to feel full. So yeah they're all things that you can incorporate. We'll talk about them in length as we go along.
Melinda: I'm in trouble team, help me. Now there is a page dedicated to chocolate on Jennifer's website. Tell us about chocolate because we can still have it and I know from my old organic eating days and my earth mother days that it is okay to eat chocolate but usually dark chocolate.
Jennifer Gale: Yeah so I put the chocolate on because lots and lots of women love to eat chocolate and I thought I need to really understand the science of this and there is a science behind chocolate, it's like red wine. They both have something in it that helps the cholesterol level inside your arteries. So it's like a scavenger if you like getting rid of the bad things but the key to eating chocolate is to not eat too much of it and to only eat really good quality chocolate. As soon as you start to put those things on you can actually can't afford to eat a kilo of chocolate. So buying a kilo of chocolate's not a good thing to do. But having six or eight squares of dark chocolate is a really good thing to do for your body and it tastes so nice.
So my husband and I have got this thing about fair trade and slaves and children and all that kind of stuff, so we've stopped eating [00:18:07] (unclear) chocolate as it is and unless they can tell us that the cocoa beans are harvested by children who are being paid nothing and that the farmers aren't being ripped off we don't buy it but that does mean that our chocolate is $8 a block.
Melinda: Now everybody I knew I would bring this back to books. There's a bookshop in Townsville called the Laurie Hugh Bookshop and it has all the fair trade chocolates that Jennifer's talking about and they are 8 or 9 dollars and my daughters and I made a weekly junket to this bookshop and we'd buy ourselves a book and chocolate and it became quite a weekly track and we'd ride our bikes.
Jennifer Gale: That's a lovely thing to do.
Melinda: Yeah and it's that quality I think of saying right we're going to buy a beautiful book, we're going to have some beautiful chocolate, we're going to ride our bikes to do it and it becomes an event. I think in our fast pace lives I think we're trying to cram so much in we race into to Cole supermarket and we buy all this really ugly stuff that none of it looks like food and we race back out again. It's that fast living, I notice in the city it's really hard to avoid. But I guess part of the secret is slowing down.
Jennifer Gale: Yup, just taking a moment, just take a moment, whatever you're doing. I think I put something on my Facebook page the other day from one of the Deli, one of the Deli, [00:19:25] (unclear) of my people, I can't think what you call them, but monks that's what they are, and he was talking about how people think that meditation is this big thing and you need to set aside a space and a time but actually it's about just standing for a moment and being still and that could be as simple as standing for a moment in the bank queue and just being present in that actual movement for a minute or two and if you just start to do that once a day, twice a day you will soon slow down, the rest of you slows down.
I know people look at me and say that couldn't be true. It actually is. If you try it just next time you're rushing or you're waiting for something and we wait for lots of things, we even wait on the phone I mean if ever you've had to ring a government department you'll know you have to wait on the phone for an hour and that's a really good time to actually just be present for a moment and it slows you down and you start to notice all these different things around you, it's, and part of the training that Melinda's going to do and she doesn't know this yet is that part of my six week program is a particular guided meditation package that I give people where you work from five minutes a day up to thirty minutes a day and this amazing women called Sarah McCrum did this for me and it's about teaching you to be mindful but what it does is it reconnects you with your body and helps you build a more resilient energy base.
So Melinda it'll be great to chat with you about how this works for you because all my ladies love it and they all balk at it at the beginning and at the end they all say that was the best part besides me telling them what to do every week that was the best part because we designed it purposefully for women like this, like you who what really happens when you get busy and you've lived your life so much is you actually disconnect from how you're feeling, how you're thinking because it doesn't serve any purpose when you're trying to get a lot of things done. The purpose that it does serve is keeping you healthy and well. So what I'm going to teach you to do is reconnect with your body as well as getting fit and all those other things that's all one big package.
Melinda: I'm glaring at her everybody, I'm glaring, glaring, glaring. What does it for me Jennifer is a book and a beach, that's all I need is a book and a beach. That's why I've got my caravan and I've got my rig and my idea is by the age of 55 that I would have been sitting by a beach somewhere or a river somewhere with my feet up reading and writing my books. But of course my children have different ideas and I'm smack bang in the middle of Brisbane city living my worst nightmare. I'm assuming that all those other people in the city traffic listening to their podcasts are wondering what they're doing there as well because I think we've built this crazy world where it's very, very hard to get off the merry-go-round.
Jennifer Gale: It is, it's really hard. But if you can do it for a minute or two it actually makes a difference. I know you're thinking okay this can't possibly be right, it actually is.
Melinda: Should I describe my day to her everybody?
Jennifer Gale: No truly, I have been someone who at one stage in my life I used to drink 80 kilometers to work, I was the senior health planner, I used to drive another 80 kilometers to university three nights a week and come home and I had two children at home and two step-children. That's when I did my masters degree.
Melinda: Now what can I say? Now she's shamed me into it. Where abouts did you?
Jennifer Gale: My life was so [00:23:06] (unclear).
Melinda: Where abouts did you live Jennifer?
Jennifer Gale: I lived in Barrel, in New South Wales then when I was doing my masters.
Melinda: See all roads lead back, I'm from Goulburn and I've spoken to lots of people who've passed through, I think Rachel Amphlett passed through Goulburn and I'm sure Jenn Mcleod would have been around there somewhere. Barrel, not only did Jennifer do this, Barrel is a place between Sydney and Canberra and it gets damn cold, it gets really, really cold.
Jennifer Gale: It is cold.
Melinda: I presume driving into the city to do your university. Okay, no more excuses from me, tell us about your book that's coming out Fit n Fifty Plus Active Women something or other.
Jennifer Gale: So it's called Fit, Fab, and Fifty Plus: Your Guide to Living Actively For the Rest of Your Life and it has my lovely yoga lady on the front, it was designed by my friend Jeanne Treloar from Sassy Branding and she's got a little blur and it says why Brazilian is better for bike riding and other things you never knew.
Melinda: What's she talking about? Hang on! Hey this conversation's taking a turn for the worse.
Jennifer Gale: It has, it has.
Melinda: It has!
Jennifer Gale: It really, I really wanted to put all of the little tips and tricks that I learned particular through my triathlon journey into a book because there's lots of things that women never talk about and there's lots of things that you can't find out and one of them is actually having Brazilian when you're training a lot for a triathlon because I have to tell you it is mighty uncomfortable when you're doing hundreds and hundreds of kilometers training and you're on and off, so yes.
Melinda: I'm not quite sure what to say on this.
Jennifer Gale: I'm not going to insist you have one, it's alright Melinda.
Melinda: I've had some conversations this podcast everybody, we've had the whole what happens behind the closed door on the romance novel thing and I was blushing and going insane then, now I'm having other discussions I'm thinking this podcast is a family podcast.
Jennifer Gale: It is?
Melinda: I was going to bring up the whole topic of menopause because every five minutes I walk around I go flushing and flush there and I say to my daughters is anyone hot and they go no Mummy and I'm thinking--
Jennifer Gale: Just the power surge.
Melinda: Oh my god what is going on here? Everybody the writer in us can use all these experiences in our novels, we have some writers among us who write about mature heroines, so I guess we need to know all this stuff. When you were writing the book Jennifer tell us what kinds of struggles did you have trying to put all this stuff into words and organize it in a way that we can pick it up and I guess just flick through it and just pick up the bits that we want.
Jennifer Gale: So getting all out of my head wasn't that hard. What's been hard and what's held me up, so I actually finished writing in November last year and it went for its first edit and it came back and it went back and it came back again and then I had this most enormous self-confidence block where for about the last five months, four months/five months I've been unable to actually touch it. I've sat down, I've opened it and I've thought what, that's what I said at the beginning, the imposter syndrome, who am I to be telling anyone how to do this stuff.
That has been my struggle and it's so stupid, it's just so stupid but I'm actually at the, I'm hoping to have it finished, it was supposed to be tomorrow but it'll be Monday now, but it's ready now to go. So I've put in, so my struggle has really been my own personal struggle about my own worth and who am I to be telling people how to be doing this and that is just a shocking thing for a woman of my age and where did that come from? Well it came from my life I suppose. But that's been hard to sink.
Knowing everything was easy, getting it out of my head was easy, writing it down, I was lucky enough to do a thing called key person of influence and part of that is a publishing module where they give you a framework for writing and so we used that and we actually wrote, I actually wrote 32,000 words in thirty days. So it was, that was easy.
The book cover was easy, all of the other things are easy but it's really been, and I'm sure lots of other writers go through that where you just can't even, I couldn't even physically touch the cover, like I just couldn't bear it. But now every day I wake up and think okay it's great, nearly there, nearly there and as someone told me the other day I need to be visualizing that book in my head and giving it to people and that will keep going. So that's been the hardest part by itself.
Melinda: Yeah and feel the fear and do it anyway. I think every writer listening to this podcast today will know that letting our babies out into the world is always scary so look let us council you Jennifer we are here for you, if you think you're going to get us up at 5 o'clock in the morning doing all this stuff the least we can do, and having Brazilians my god, the least we can do is help you through your writing fears. Now everybody I did ask the guy from, Simon Carson from Key Person of Influence, he wrote the book on to do it. But he wouldn't come on our podcast because we didn't have a big enough audience yet. So obviously he takes his key person of influence very, very seriously and we're not influential.
Jennifer Gale: [00:28:35] (unclear) I mean this is a young bloke.
Melinda: It just cracked me up, I thought I'll come back when I've got more listeners everybody. So we've got 10,000.
Jennifer Gale: Oh if you were larger now he'd come on your podcast, Andrew Griffith would come.
Melinda: Yeah Andrew's coming, yeah he is, we've already asked.
Jennifer Gale: I have to tell you that would be the best interview, he's fantastic.
Melinda: Andrew is very funny everybody he lives in Caine’s, he's a business man, he writes business books. He's been in the writing industry since we used pencil and a piece of bark and he's gone right through to the technological age, I did ask when we were at our podcasting conference would he come and talk to us, he was wonderfully generous and I got a huge so I was really happy.
Jennifer Gale: Yeah, he's a nice man.
Melinda: Yeah I haven't got around to doing that yet. Now you've completely distracted me, the Boon retreat, talking about a retreat for writers is a wonderful thing, combining writing and wellness just has this real ring to it.
Jennifer Gale: It does, that would be fantastic to do that I must say.
Melinda: Oh okay, we can do that ourselves, I've got, hey I organize retreats, I've got it written on my car so it must be true. What do I organize, weddings.
Jennifer Gale: I would be more than happy to do that.
Melinda: Alright well need to move--
Jennifer Gale: I could even talk about menopause if you want to me.
Melinda: Nah, we just go and have a swim.
Jennifer Gale: Very good for menopause.
Melinda: Yeah I do agree that as women's thing but I'm sure a lot of what you do applies equally to men. It certainly applies to all writers because we can fall into the trap of being sedentary. But I think writers, we're learning more and more to take care of ourselves, even to the point we're sitting down all day, there's now standing desks where we can stand up.
Jennifer Gale: I've got one of those.
Melinda: Yeah I saw them at Ikea, I had this nightmare trip to Ikea where I had a meltdown.
Jennifer Gale: Yes, in fact I love it, I really do.
Melinda: They go there for there for a shopping experience, spare me. I should have sat there with my hands in the air meditating but they did have the standing desks and I thought they were a very good idea. Now I know Jennifer has got us on a time limit today so that I don't babble overly longly, I love that word longly that's my new word of the day. Every writer out there should use longly at least once in their lives. Okay so we're going to participate fully in our lives, we're not all going to go and run a triathlon, I can swim and I can ride a bike but not very far. I am looking forward to working with Jennifer over the next year in my year of living creatively and boring everyone to death with it through YouTube, I'll keep you informed about how fit I'm getting. Jennifer's got a job because I'm blah at the moment. So it's--
Jennifer Gale: I say I will be able to see how fit you get. I have to tell you men are much easier to coach then women.
Melinda: Women are lazy?
Jennifer Gale: No, they're not lazy they're more difficult.
Melinda: I've lost two husbands through difficulty, do I have to have more difficulty?
Jennifer Gale: No, I know. But men are much easier to coach. They're much better at doing exactly what I tell them to. With women I have to be far more creative.
Melinda: Yeah we women are very determined. Look everybody I think all this stuff feeds in our writing lives, it certainly feeds into stories that we want to write about. I was very keen to have Jennifer on, her book is coming out at Christmas, I will try and get a couple of copies to give away because it's got a great cover. I'll put Jennifer's website on there. Jennifer you tell us about your coaching, your one on one coaching and your Skype call and your six weeks program which sounds very exciting.
Jennifer Gale: It is exciting and it's about to be relabeled to the Fit n Fifty Plus Six Week Program: Time for Me is what it's going to be called. So I have a six week program, it's really about helping people get started back to being fit again. So as I said it has a six week meditation package in it, it also has six weeks’ worth of videos that help you learn how to do self-massage using massage balls, rollers, how to stretch properly, all of those kinds of things because that's actually really the key to remaining flexible and being able to actively participate.
Probably more than actually being really fit, if you are flexible you can actually bend and pick your children up, you can, actually I was watching a video this morning, you can actually get up off the toilet. So many people have to go into homes because they can't get themselves up off the toilet, they've got no quad strength, no arm strength and they actually get up and that's really sad because all you need to do is do a few little exercises every day. So I have this health assessment which Melinda will be getting via email and I work through that so where I work out where you are physically and where you are mentally on your journey to being fit and healthy.
Melinda: She doesn't have my credit card yet everybody I might get out of it!
Jennifer Gale: So then, and then we have a conversation about what is your goal, is there a goal and then we work out a plan for how we're actually going to get there depending on where you are now and where you want to be. So it's very bespoke, there's no one plan fits everybody. People come to me for all different reasons and yeah it's great that you've got a goal, I think a goal makes it so much easier but many women really just don't understand their bodies and really just want to learn about their bodies and so I spend a lot of time with some people explaining what's happening to them as they get older and how they might negate the effects or improve from that. So yes, there you can have a six week package I also just do one on one coaching as well where I'll do a health assessment and then we can have one or two sessions or as many as you like. But the six week package is really lovely and at the end of it you do feel amazing.
Melinda: Now I've got to tell you everybody my date with Jennifer was supposed to be a long lunch at South Bank, I'm not quite sure what's gone wrong here, it's starting to sound like we've, but everybody look being, I guess being in touch with our bodies is a very interesting thing, a lot of us are mothers, we've got our daughters coming through, we don't need to tell them that they can do everything and be superwomen anymore thank God that phase has based, remember the old power shoulder pads that we used to have.
Jennifer Gale: Oh I had those.
Melinda: Yeah, and as fifty plusers, but the other thing is we are on the young side, you were telling me about the older ladies and the problems that do arise when you are older still. If we're, I'm 55, you're fifties, we have to start now because tomorrow we don't know what's going to be around the corner. Look that book of yours that's coming out, I will blog it, I will put the cover up there. I’m guessing, I just thought that our conversation today would interest some of us, but I think there's something in here for everyone to take away and I've highlighted here participating fully in our lives. I had the podcast up there about being persistent and continuing to say look feel the fear and do it anyway. So we're advising Jennifer because we always give back here feel the fear and do it anyway and publish that book. You can tell us feel the fear anyway and get out of bed and exercise.
Jennifer Gale: Just get up five minutes early and walk around the book.
Melinda: It's goodbye from me, it's goodbye from Jennifer and it's goodbye from Writer on the Road for another day.